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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-27 &#124; Yostivanich.com</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-28186</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-27 &#124; Yostivanich.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Delicious.com loses its holy grail &quot;When delicious redesigned its front page they hoped it would deliver “fresh” and more relevant front page links. While that’s still under debate, one thing is for sure: The redesigned delicious home page has lost significant value to publishers. To reach the delicious front page publishers need only 2 bookmarks… and tweets.&quot; (tags: del.icio.us socialmedia twitter) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Delicious.com loses its holy grail &quot;When delicious redesigned its front page they hoped it would deliver “fresh” and more relevant front page links. While that’s still under debate, one thing is for sure: The redesigned delicious home page has lost significant value to publishers. To reach the delicious front page publishers need only 2 bookmarks… and tweets.&quot; (tags: del.icio.us socialmedia twitter) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: billoc44</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-28153</link>
		<dc:creator>billoc44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record... I am not a Delicious fan or user, nor am I a detractor. I am trying to learn everything I can about Web 2.0 because I think in some way this may be big in my career in the future. I also enjoy where this is all going. 
Having said that...
If the only thing on the internet was &quot;peer gibberish&quot;, people talking to their friends no matter how interesting they think it is, and or TWEETS.
I would throw my computer out of the window.
Hence, if there were no real publishers of content...
If there were no professionals in their respective fields, big or small on the interenet providing content = publishing content = publisher.
There would be little reason for me to be on the internet.
The internet didn&#039;t become great because of Twitter, lest we rewrite history, it was decidedly the other way around. 
I am not ashamed to say that I have gotten amazing technical information off of You Tube. It is actually my point, just because someone publishes content on the internet using the same forum that became an internet phenom because of &quot;Kids Gone Wild &amp; Stupid&quot; videos, doesn&#039;t make that content and/or that publisher any less of a professional and certainly any less valuable to me.
Publishers please keep publishing, I could give a rats about Delicious.com and or their bookmarking service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record&#8230; I am not a Delicious fan or user, nor am I a detractor. I am trying to learn everything I can about Web 2.0 because I think in some way this may be big in my career in the future. I also enjoy where this is all going.<br />
Having said that&#8230;<br />
If the only thing on the internet was &#8220;peer gibberish&#8221;, people talking to their friends no matter how interesting they think it is, and or TWEETS.<br />
I would throw my computer out of the window.<br />
Hence, if there were no real publishers of content&#8230;<br />
If there were no professionals in their respective fields, big or small on the interenet providing content = publishing content = publisher.<br />
There would be little reason for me to be on the internet.<br />
The internet didn&#8217;t become great because of Twitter, lest we rewrite history, it was decidedly the other way around.<br />
I am not ashamed to say that I have gotten amazing technical information off of You Tube. It is actually my point, just because someone publishes content on the internet using the same forum that became an internet phenom because of &#8220;Kids Gone Wild &amp; Stupid&#8221; videos, doesn&#8217;t make that content and/or that publisher any less of a professional and certainly any less valuable to me.<br />
Publishers please keep publishing, I could give a rats about Delicious.com and or their bookmarking service.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher Hooper</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-28000</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally speaking, no one cares much who bookmarked the link in question as this is nothing more than meta information. At that, it is likely of lesser importance than the tags used to organize the link into folksonomies. 

This is no accident; Delicious&#039; ability to recognize patterns with bookmarks in aggregate while keeping focus closely on the content of the page in question is, in large measure, what&#039;s made Delicious successful and innovative. (They&#039;ve added the network features for the exceptions where a user does care to follow another user&#039;s links. The design they arrived at for this feature works well precisely because it treats these cases as the exceptions they are). Think of Delicious as Google, but powered by human reviewers instead of -- and treated as dispassionately as -- automated bots and you&#039;re seeing the service more accurately for what it is.

Accordingly, if you are seeking acclaim for finding great stuff (a reasonable pursuit), Delicious probably isn&#039;t the tool for the task: you&#039;ve done your part by bookmarking the page for the larger good. 

You might more effectively achieve your goal by featuring the links on your blog with accompanying commentary (something you likely already do). If your commentary is popular/timely/interesting/etc. it might be featured on the &quot;fresh&quot; or &quot;popular&quot; pages on Delicious as it will be seen as valued content. This will bring it to the attention of more people.

As far as I can tell, that&#039;s how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally speaking, no one cares much who bookmarked the link in question as this is nothing more than meta information. At that, it is likely of lesser importance than the tags used to organize the link into folksonomies. </p>
<p>This is no accident; Delicious&#8217; ability to recognize patterns with bookmarks in aggregate while keeping focus closely on the content of the page in question is, in large measure, what&#8217;s made Delicious successful and innovative. (They&#8217;ve added the network features for the exceptions where a user does care to follow another user&#8217;s links. The design they arrived at for this feature works well precisely because it treats these cases as the exceptions they are). Think of Delicious as Google, but powered by human reviewers instead of &#8212; and treated as dispassionately as &#8212; automated bots and you&#8217;re seeing the service more accurately for what it is.</p>
<p>Accordingly, if you are seeking acclaim for finding great stuff (a reasonable pursuit), Delicious probably isn&#8217;t the tool for the task: you&#8217;ve done your part by bookmarking the page for the larger good. </p>
<p>You might more effectively achieve your goal by featuring the links on your blog with accompanying commentary (something you likely already do). If your commentary is popular/timely/interesting/etc. it might be featured on the &#8220;fresh&#8221; or &#8220;popular&#8221; pages on Delicious as it will be seen as valued content. This will bring it to the attention of more people.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, that&#8217;s how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: bencurnett</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27994</link>
		<dc:creator>bencurnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the delicious (or any social bookmarking/crowdsourced) front page provides most of its value to a publisher in the same way a billboard does- millions of eyeballs on your ad.  

But the web provides the unique opportunity of a super-focused vertical for targeting your stuff.  We can go for just the eyeballs that we think our ad provides value for.  No more shouting (or billboards).  Your ads only get shared if they&#039;re worth it (or your content is worth it) to the sharer&#039;s circle of influence.  Permission marketing, put a more famous way.

So doesn&#039;t this just help your content get a better demographic?   Won&#039;t these be people who are worth it to you as a publisher to focus on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the delicious (or any social bookmarking/crowdsourced) front page provides most of its value to a publisher in the same way a billboard does- millions of eyeballs on your ad.  </p>
<p>But the web provides the unique opportunity of a super-focused vertical for targeting your stuff.  We can go for just the eyeballs that we think our ad provides value for.  No more shouting (or billboards).  Your ads only get shared if they&#8217;re worth it (or your content is worth it) to the sharer&#8217;s circle of influence.  Permission marketing, put a more famous way.</p>
<p>So doesn&#8217;t this just help your content get a better demographic?   Won&#8217;t these be people who are worth it to you as a publisher to focus on?</p>
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		<title>By: wil reynolds</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27990</link>
		<dc:creator>wil reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest thing Yahoo has not done well with delicious is using it as an indicator of quality as it relates to ranking web sites / pages.  Who cares about re-working the page to work with twitter, how about using some human factors like delicious tags from long standing established users of the service to influence a little bit the search rankings, it could help them compete in a way that google can&#039;t.  However, with google reader they are starting to get some of this human interaction data that someday may influence rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest thing Yahoo has not done well with delicious is using it as an indicator of quality as it relates to ranking web sites / pages.  Who cares about re-working the page to work with twitter, how about using some human factors like delicious tags from long standing established users of the service to influence a little bit the search rankings, it could help them compete in a way that google can&#8217;t.  However, with google reader they are starting to get some of this human interaction data that someday may influence rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: Khayyam</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27969</link>
		<dc:creator>Khayyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been points on all sides and the one thing I did not find anywhere within the posts is this: your peers.

Depending on what field you&#039;re in, you can connect to your peers/users with delicious. I can visually see what my friends and colleagues are looking at. There is nothing like that anywhere on the web that keeps me informed of what I want as specifically as delicious does.

Sure it&#039;s a bookmarking site, but it&#039;s not a cult where people basically run &quot;payoffs&quot; to other users in whatever form to &quot;help&quot; promote content.

Let delicious be... it does just fine. No cults, no spamming, no burying of good content. Just a place where you can see what everyone is organically bookmarking.  

Personally, I think it&#039;s the one and only source of true content anymore. The rest are gamed and abused. So I think it&#039;s the perfect application just as it is. As far as the twitter integration... well I integrated mine long ago and most of my tweets are from delicious as opposed to Digg, Mixx or Reddit.

My two cents and I very well could be wrong... but it&#039;s the way I use it and it feels oh so good :)

Great post and start of discussion Brian!

You bad ass :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been points on all sides and the one thing I did not find anywhere within the posts is this: your peers.</p>
<p>Depending on what field you&#8217;re in, you can connect to your peers/users with delicious. I can visually see what my friends and colleagues are looking at. There is nothing like that anywhere on the web that keeps me informed of what I want as specifically as delicious does.</p>
<p>Sure it&#8217;s a bookmarking site, but it&#8217;s not a cult where people basically run &#8220;payoffs&#8221; to other users in whatever form to &#8220;help&#8221; promote content.</p>
<p>Let delicious be&#8230; it does just fine. No cults, no spamming, no burying of good content. Just a place where you can see what everyone is organically bookmarking.  </p>
<p>Personally, I think it&#8217;s the one and only source of true content anymore. The rest are gamed and abused. So I think it&#8217;s the perfect application just as it is. As far as the twitter integration&#8230; well I integrated mine long ago and most of my tweets are from delicious as opposed to Digg, Mixx or Reddit.</p>
<p>My two cents and I very well could be wrong&#8230; but it&#8217;s the way I use it and it feels oh so good <img src='http://briancray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great post and start of discussion Brian!</p>
<p>You bad ass <img src='http://briancray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cray</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27959</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek: The social web is about advocacy, you&#039;re right. I have never argued that delicious does not support a user group with their own needs: people who simply want to bookmark.

But I&#039;m certain you&#039;ll find a direct correlation between the amount of publishers that promote a sharing platform and the amount of people using that sharing platform. It&#039;s important that bookmarking services are recognized and promoted by publishers. Otherwise the people who simply want to use these services will never know about them.

If every publisher replaced their &quot;save to delicious&quot; button with a &quot;save to &lt;a href=&quot;http://faves.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;faves.com&lt;/a&gt;&quot; button, you&#039;d see a MAJOR shift of users in a few months time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek: The social web is about advocacy, you&#8217;re right. I have never argued that delicious does not support a user group with their own needs: people who simply want to bookmark.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m certain you&#8217;ll find a direct correlation between the amount of publishers that promote a sharing platform and the amount of people using that sharing platform. It&#8217;s important that bookmarking services are recognized and promoted by publishers. Otherwise the people who simply want to use these services will never know about them.</p>
<p>If every publisher replaced their &#8220;save to delicious&#8221; button with a &#8220;save to <a href="http://faves.com/" rel="nofollow">faves.com</a>&#8221; button, you&#8217;d see a MAJOR shift of users in a few months time.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Martin</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27958</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BrianCray Delicious doesn&#039;t need publishers. In fact, I think its front page would be more valuable to users if publishers had nothing to do with it. Publishers taint the value of pages because they have a vested interest in their pages being ranked higher, regardless of what users think. The whole point of social activities online is to help users find TRUE VALUE in the sea of meaninglessness that is the internet. When the people who own the content are involved in promoting it, that is advertising, not advocacy. The Social Web is about advocacy. It&#039;s about my friends, or people like me, saying that something is cool. That&#039;s what gets me to look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BrianCray Delicious doesn&#8217;t need publishers. In fact, I think its front page would be more valuable to users if publishers had nothing to do with it. Publishers taint the value of pages because they have a vested interest in their pages being ranked higher, regardless of what users think. The whole point of social activities online is to help users find TRUE VALUE in the sea of meaninglessness that is the internet. When the people who own the content are involved in promoting it, that is advertising, not advocacy. The Social Web is about advocacy. It&#8217;s about my friends, or people like me, saying that something is cool. That&#8217;s what gets me to look at it.</p>
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		<title>By: RBKartworks</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27957</link>
		<dc:creator>RBKartworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mert TOL for the clarification on it&#039;s other uses. I only use the one computer for now, and I bookmark it all on my browser. I thought adding another site to my list would take up more time, but knowing the benefits I&#039;ll keep the suggestion in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mert TOL for the clarification on it&#8217;s other uses. I only use the one computer for now, and I bookmark it all on my browser. I thought adding another site to my list would take up more time, but knowing the benefits I&#8217;ll keep the suggestion in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mert TOL</title>
		<link>http://briancray.com/2009/08/17/delicious-front-page-fails/#comment-27956</link>
		<dc:creator>Mert TOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delicious is a social bookmarking service that allows users to tag, save, manage and share web pages from a centralized source.

Young designers made Delicious like Digg or something. In the beginning of Delicious, I remember, people were using Delicious just for -like Scott says- easy access without your own computer and remember your fav. pages or articles later.

And, Delicious is not for the &quot;publishers&quot;. Delicious is for the users. And, Users=Publishers in Delicious.

Actually, people shouldn&#039;t send their own article to Delicious. And, shouldn&#039;t promote that. This is unnatural. If you are using Delicious for remembering your own article, why you&#039;re using. Use Digg or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delicious is a social bookmarking service that allows users to tag, save, manage and share web pages from a centralized source.</p>
<p>Young designers made Delicious like Digg or something. In the beginning of Delicious, I remember, people were using Delicious just for -like Scott says- easy access without your own computer and remember your fav. pages or articles later.</p>
<p>And, Delicious is not for the &#8220;publishers&#8221;. Delicious is for the users. And, Users=Publishers in Delicious.</p>
<p>Actually, people shouldn&#8217;t send their own article to Delicious. And, shouldn&#8217;t promote that. This is unnatural. If you are using Delicious for remembering your own article, why you&#8217;re using. Use Digg or something like that.</p>
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